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I hope Jenna doesn't get mad at me for stealing this, I thought this was good info on commercial publishers. Jena is a published author of notoriety... GG How Real Publishing Works There are so many strange versions floating around about what publishers do and don't do. I think it's time to give a sort of overview of the process.
1. Acquisitions
Acquisitions editors are in charge of finding new manuscripts/proposals for the publisher. There are a few ways your work may end up in front of an acquisitions editor:
-The slush pile. This is the term for unsolicited manuscripts. If you mail a publisher a manuscript or proposal that they haven't requested, some of them will just mail it back to you unread. Others will pile it up in their offices until a reader gets around to checking it out. This can take anywhere from days to many months.
-Request from a query. If you send an editor an e-mail or letter about your book, the editor may request sample chapters (a "partial"), the whole manuscript, or (in the case of nonfiction books) a book proposal. Now your work isn't "unsolicited" anymore-- it's solicited. Solicited work tends to get read faster than unsolicited work, but it can still be several months before you get a decision.
-Through an agent. Your agent can get your work read fast if he/she has any clout. Publishers trust agents to bring in projects that are appropriate and of high quality. Particularly if you write novels, it's to your benefit to have an agent. Real agents don't charge you anything upfront-- they take a commission from your advance and royalties (15%, usually).
-Recommendation or personal meeting. An author may recommend you to his/her editor, or you might meet the editor at a conference or workshop. This puts you into the "solicited" category.
You don't need an agent to submit to most publishers.
I have never heard of an editor just mailing someone a contract-- the editor will call you or e-mail you to tell you that he or she is interested.
At most publishing houses (except the very smallest), the editor will have to pitch the book at an editorial meeting. The editorial board (or the publisher alone) will say yes or no. The marketing people do their projections to see how much profit they think the publisher could make, and what the budget should look like. They research competing books and figure out how well they sold. They may suggest a new title. Then the editor makes an offer. You or your agent go back and forth negotiating until everyone's happy. You sign the contract and get the first part of your advance. (Advances are typically paid in 2-4 parts.)
2. Developmental Editing
Now you have an editor. If you sold the book based on a proposal or partial, the editor may advise you about what direction he/she wants the book to take, the word count, etc.
You are NOT expected to hire an editor before you submit your work. You are not expected to pay anyone anything. The editor (hired by the publisher) will work with you, making substantive suggestions. The editor may point out where the plot is getting too hairy or complicated, where things are dragging or getting confusing, a character that needs to be cut or better developed, etc. You work back and forth with the editor until you're both happy with the substance of the book.
3. Copyediting
Then it goes to the copy editor, who works on grammar, spelling, continuity, fact-checking, etc. You will have a chance to review the copy editor's work. The copy editor may have several questions for you marked on the manuscript. If you disagree with any of the copyedits, you can mark "stet" next to the copy editor's marking. ("Stet" means "let it stand.")
4. Proofs
Then it goes to layout, then proofreading. At this point, your manuscript is laid out just how it will be when it's printed. The proofreader checks for last-minute typos and formatting errors (A-heads that should be B-heads, widows and orphans, wrong italics, tables in the wrong spot, etc.). You get the proofs (also called galleys/gallies) and this is your last chance to review before the book is printed. If your book cover hasn't been finalized yet, it should be now.
5. Publicity
Now's when your publicist should swing into high-gear. You've probably already filled out a questionnaire by this point detailing any publicity avenues open to you, your speaking experience, your travel plans, etc. The publicist will write a press release, go over a list of where to send advance review copies (the major trade magazines such as Publishers Weekly, Kirkus, Library Journal, etc. get them first), ask you if you want to do local book signings, figure out publications and media venues likely to feature you and make contact, etc.
When people complain that publishers "don't promote" their books, what they usually mean is that they rarely send authors on tours anymore, and they rarely take out ads in papers, magazines, or TV. Simple reason: They typically don't pay off. Imagine paying for an author to fly around the country and stay in hotels, only to find that no more than a dozen people show up at these signings. Imagine paying big bucks for an ad and finding that it sells two copies. Much more important are reviews, interviews, speaking engagements, bookstore placement, etc.
Your book's cover art and description will go into the publisher's seasonal catalog, which then gets sent out to bookstores and libraries. The distributor's sales reps pitch the current season's titles (and any backlist titles that the publisher wants to draw attention to) to the bookstore buyers. The sales reps tell the buyers about any planned publicity-- buyers are more likely to order the book if they know it has a big publicity budget or the author has guaranteed media mentions coming up.
The buyer places orders. The publisher decides whether or not to pay for front-of-the-store placement. Those books you see stacked on tables in the front of the store aren't there by chance-- they're there because the publisher paid for those spots!
The publisher also decides whether to invest in direct mailings (postcards, usually), Amazon promotions, a launch party, etc.
6. Exploiting Other Rights
If the publisher kept these rights, they will attempt to sell the book rights to overseas publishers, book clubs, film companies, etc. You will each get a share of the money. If you kept these rights, you or your agent can work on selling them.
7. And So On
Your publisher may enter your book in contests, put an ad for you in Radio Television Interview Report or similar guest-finder services, bring your book to book fairs, seek out "special sales" (bulk sales to corporations or organizations), offer your book as a giveaway in contests, and other such ongoing promotions. Generally, your publicist will have a limited window of time (3-6 months) when your book is actually on the "top of the pile"-- then the publicist needs to concentrate on other books. But even years later, you can still ask the publicist to send someone a review copy, send you flyers to bring to a speaking event, etc.
All the above is based on my experiences. I have written for the following companies, listed in approximate order from smallest to largest: Moo Press, JayJo Books, Mason Crest, Nomad Press, Hunter House, Lyons Press, Adams Media, Andrews McMeel, McGraw-Hill, Penguin Putnam, and Simon & Schuster.
Okay, other published authors and editors, what did I leave out? Anything else you want to add? __________________ ~GG~
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I'm gonna read through this, I'm sure, several more times before it all sinks in, but I wish Jenna would have touched more on how advances work. I guess maybe it would be prorated on the books potential sales. I dunno. Maybe someone will come along and answer that question for me... __________________ ~GG~
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Sheesh! The stupid PA thread gets a tidal wave of views and this post, which I think is so important, barely gets a ripple...  __________________ ~GG~
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Advances An advance is a prepayment of the projected royalties the publisher thinks a book will earn over a two to three year period. Once the manuscript has been accepted by a publisher, if it doesn't earn out the advance, any shortfalls do not have to be paid back by the author. (Unless that's in the contract, but I have never seen that or heard of it) For example, let's say that the publisher thinks that a title will sell 10,000 copies and the royalty is $1.00 per book. The advance can be anywhere from $2,000 to $10,000. Just because a title doesn't earn out the advance doesn't mean that the title isn't profitable for the publisher. Most titles don't earn out the advance. Usually the advance is paid 50% upon signing the contract and 50% when the manuscript is accepted. Dee |
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AWwww....sorry GG, I should have read this sooner and responded. After all, how are we going to make it big in this world? So, if it doesn't pay for a "Big Time" author to go to booksignings, why should we bust our humps? Makes sense to me! Thanks for the info! Arnie |
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Arnie-Well, cause ya' never know, that's why. It depends on what you're comfortable with. Booksignings, radio and TV interviews, library readings, online marketing, whatever venue you feel most relaxed in. The bottom line is the more PEOPLE our books reach, in whatever way we have available, is what's gonna make it happen-- if it is gonna happen. With all the strikes against us as PA authors, hard? Absolutely! Shoot! I can't even give Sadie away, but that's not stopping me from trying regardless of the controversy that surrounds us. I just posted on my site that I'll send out the pdf. for free, just to get people to read it. That's why I wrote the stupid book! lol I'm not being a PollyAnna, or a Kool-Aid addict, just not giving up on Sadie quite yet. I still have St. Paddy's Day ahead of me and five and half more years on my contract. I'm in no rush. I'm still having fun!  __________________ ~GG~
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GG I thought the post was very informative. It had alot of new information that a newbie like me needs to know. It's kind of sad that putting so much of yourself into your book that you really do have to educate yourself on this whole process of getting published or you can get taken very easily. So far I have been very lucky and passed on PA and one very dubious Literary agent. I literally stumbled on Predators and Editors web site which is a wealth of information. Most people are honest and decent and all it takes is a few bad apples to give the entire industry the "Used Car Salesman" reputation. Newbies should be checking Literary Agents, Publishers, and everything out on that web site. They give you the goods on all of them. I'm sorry that you and some of the other Authors went through what you did but you need to keep writing and keep your dream alive. Your combined experiences are posted and out there for newbies like me to learn from. That is very valuable information. I look forward to reading more of your posts and laughing a bit as we all travel through life together. PapaMoka __________________ http://freewebs.com/papamoka/
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PapaMoka-Thanks for those kind words. If our discussions here make new authors aware of the pitfalls one can fall into in the publishing world, then our attempts to educate newbies have not gone on in vain. I'm sure I speak for the Bar Gang when I say, we're all looking forward to having you with us on our journey... __________________ ~GG~
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from what i have heard about advances, it is suggested that they be used for promoting the book itself, because if the book does not sell there are some publishers that will want that advance back, if you tell them that you used it for marketing it might help you . if you spend it on a new wardrobe and the book doesnt sell they might want the money back... Just what i have been told at my writers group meetings, also the promotion side of things, i have also heard that the publisher assigns an author to a public affairs specialist that has 6 or 7 opt 10 other authors assigned to them, basically they do the minimal foot work as far as promotions, still the bulk of that responsibility falls on the author. again this is just what i have heard, as i have no real experience with the main stream publishers... __________________ If man is an adaptive being, why then can he not adapt to peace? |
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Reply with quote | #12 | I am no expert, far from it, but from what I gather, a legit commercial publisher will provide as much assistance to a fledgling author of theirs as is within reason. It may not be the brass ring of attention, but they'll open doors for you; they want to make money and know what will and will not sell, and they are in the know of what potential the book has long before it even goes to print, and most pay the author accordingly. I'm sure there are all kinds of fine print when it comes to what is expected of the author, and what rights the pub has, that's why it's soooo important to know what it is you're signing before you sign on the dotted line. Having said that, few authors, even those like Barbara Walters, Tim Russette, God rest his soul, and other famous people, don't get out of hawking their books on TV or wherever if the publisher so requests. I've heard Bill Clinton mention that once. lol __________________ ~GG~
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