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    11/22/05 at 04:30 PM
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I am not posting this to start a fight, but rather to warn all of you. If you signed up for the 'editing option,' your book will not be edited.  It will be spell checked, but nothing more.  A professional editor from a traditional publishing house will call an author to discuss a ms.  He/she will mark suggested changes in the body of the text of a ms.  He/she will make serious suggestions of change to the author in order to make the author's ms the best it can be.

 

On 11/18/2005 I received an email from my 'supervising editor' from PA.  This email was the usual, "Here are your page proofs.  Look them over and send back the corrections within two weeks."  Since I chose the editing option, I wrote back asking for the editing suggestions.  I have added the emails I have sent and gotten back from my 'supervising editor' below.  These emails prove that PA does not edit.  They simply do a spell check and grammar check.  The first email below is my first response after I received the "Here are your proofs.." email. Checking for spelling and grammar problems is not editing.  Even if you asked for the 'editing option,' you will receive nothing more than a spell and grammar check. 

 

Please read the following emails.  They are quite telling.

 

Tracy

 

11/18/05      

Dear XXXXX,
It was my understanding that I would have an editor for this book.  When can I expect the list of suggestions from my editor?  I thought that I would have an editor from PA going through my ms with me.  The professional editors I have worked with in the past have made changes in the ms in a different color and/or talked to me directly about how to make my ms the best it can be.  When can I expect to have these conversations with my editor?
Thank you,

Tracy Kiewel Sutterer
        

11/18/2005

Hello, Tracy,

Actually, I have already read through and edited your entire book, since I am the editor who personally worked on your manuscript. As per your contract, I made technical and grammatical changes that did not require discussion (i.e., incorrect spellings, punctuation, etc.). This is the exact same procedure that was followed with your previous two PublishAmerica books, and the rest of the process is the same too.
Please take the following two weeks to read through the PDF. Any changes you have can be sent to me at the end of the two weeks and I will review them, discussing if necessary, before implementation. Then, as with your previous books, you'll get your final 48 hour review.
As always, I'm here for any conversation should you require my assistance. If not, I'll expect to hear from you at the end of the two weeks.
Have a great day!
XXXX, Supervising Editor
PublishAmerica
      

11/18/2005

Dear XXXXX,

        Technical and grammatical changes are certainly important, but I am more interested in your suggestions on the content and the literary devices of my poetry.  A professional edit includes a great many aspects other than just the technical and grammatical changes of a manuscript.  
        I use a great deal of imagery in my poems.  Did I go overboard with it in any of the poems?  Are there certain poems that need to be worked on in this area?
        I also tend to extend my metaphors.  Do I need to tone some of them down?  Are they easily identifiable?
        Do you believe the rhyming schemes in my poems sound forced or do the lines flow well?
        Are the cadence and the meter of my poems done in a flowing manner or do they sound choppy?
        I use similes and onomatopoeia in my poetry as well as many other literary devices.  Can you make some suggestions as to how to improve any of my poems in this regard?
        I can not tell you how much I've been looking forward to working with an editor for my poetry.  I'm sure that you want my book to be at its best too.  Since PA is a traditional publishing house, I'm sure that PA does a professional edit just like the other traditional publishing companies.  
        I'm looking forward to your direction and help to make my book the absolute best it can be!


        Tracy Kiewel Sutterer

                 
       11/22/2005

Good morning, Tracy!

I believe there is some confusion on your part. The editing for "Dancing Naked in South Dakota" is the same as it was for your other two PublishAmerica books: technical and mechanical changes. I'm unsure where your definition of "professional edit" comes from, but the implication that our editing is not professional is erroneous and detrimental to our overall professional relationship.

I understand that you have these stylistic questions, but style is all about the author's choice, and to change or influence that is (a) contrary to our mission to publish an author's true voice and (b) beyond the scope of the editing services promised: "Our staff proofs your manuscript for errors in grammar, spelling, mechanics, typos, and the like. Because we believe that every author possesses a unique and compelling style and voice, we do not edit for stylistic preferences." If I were to answer these questions, the poetry would cease to be your true voice, and neither of us wants that to happen.

Once again, I'm here if you have questions. At this time, I ask that you focus on what was requested of you: "You have two full weeks to review the file, and I ask that you e-mail me your list of noted corrections so that I may implement them for a deadline of December 2..When the original document is submitted, it is under the assumption that the work is at its most complete, and that the editors are to only be responsible for changing grammar, punctuation, and spelling errors."

Have a good day!

XXXX

 

 

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    11/22/05 at 06:44 PM
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Thank you,Tracy. It's as I've told new authors since I got my pdf. edit, edit, edit, edit, edit, edit, yourself! PA does little to none and most ms's are printed as is...


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    11/22/05 at 06:59 PM
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You're welcome, GG.

 

The sick part of all of it is the fact that PA says they 'edit.'  It's just an out and out lie.  It makes no difference if an author picks that option or not.  The book will be no better than when the author submitted it.

 

Tracy

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    11/22/05 at 08:02 PM
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Webster's Dictionary- EDIT: (ed'it)-vt-.) To revise and prepare for publication, as a manuscript. PA can make claim to this, and not have to clearly define to what extent they edit.

 

Tracy, until new authors understand that PA is NOT a COMMERCIAL PUBLISHER, PA is never gonna change their business practices as long as they are not breaking any laws according to those in authority.

 

For the new authors who may venture here, if you get nothing else out of all this PA talk---EDIT! Listen to what most of the authors out there are sharing with you about PA . Just don't be led to believe you have a COMMERCIAL publisher watching your back, you don't! Realize this and, in some cases,  you'll spare yourself a lot of grief later on when it comes your turn to take pride in your work and go out and hawk your book/s to your reading public...EDITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!! Then edit some more.

If our books are overpriced and bookstores only get 5% discount on returnable books, you better have a story well written if you are going to make an attempt at making a name for yourself as an author...


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    06/19/08 at 01:11 PM
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yes Pa does not edit, lulu does not edit, any place that does print on demand will not edit unless you pay them a hefty fee. ( gee I wonder if my old english teacher is still around) lol maybe she needs the worklol...
seriusly though, when they speak of self publishing its just that and self editing, self marketing self selling etc etc. but what the hell, if we are all talented enough to write abook, then  I have faith that those who have can edit and  market their works succesfully

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    06/19/08 at 01:15 PM
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You're welcome, GG.

The sick part of all of it is the fact that PA says they 'edit.'  It's just an out and out lie.  It makes no difference if an author picks that option or not.  The book will be no better than when the author submitted it.

Tracy

OR... I have heard that in their attempts to edit the book they totally screw it up, pages out of series, total areas gone or illegible etc...

I belive too that the ultimate responsibility for a good written product remains with the writer... being dependant on a stranger to edit and or correct your work does not set well with me... or at least in these instances, now if a main stream publisher came along then maybe


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    06/19/08 at 06:28 PM
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Editing by PA, way back when we barflies were there, was a service 'they' said they provided, and they stated that fact in their contract. A lot of mumble jumble, and legalese, was used back then. Today I imagine their contracts, and website, read a bit different, and that's thanks to
AW and the earlier authors who took to the internet to get the word out. Of course it's up to the writer to present as clean and polished a manuscript as possible, but even the best need a second pair of eyes to go over their every word. Sure, there will always be a type o or boo boo, even in the best of books by the best of authors, but you haven't any idea what PA called an edited book. PA is a vanity press, let's not forget or make any mistake about that. lol

Aside from the editor assigned a book, the print room has a lot to do with many of the errors that appear in far too many PA books. Missing pages, illegible, etc. I can tell you, seeing as I now work for a pub, if PA has the same kind of print room as mine, well...lol Errors, due to humans and machines, abound. If the quality control people don't catch them, bye, bye book, bye, bye author's pride. I've personally seem it time and again, and I have no doubt PA uses the same methods of producing books as the company I work for, immigrants and cheap laborers. It's a revolving door industry.   

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